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		<title>Comment on Deposit Insurance and Moral Hazard: Lessons from the Cyprus Crisis by Ralph Musgrave</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplier-effect.org/?p=8027#comment-46167</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Musgrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 10:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kregel suggests that those who deposit “currency and coin” at a bank should not “bear the brunt” of bad lending decisions by banks. While in contrast, those who deposit commercial bank created money SHOULD take a hair cut.

This is very close to a suggestion made by various advocates of full reserve banking, as follows. Depositors should have to make a choice between two options. One is to have their money (or some of it) lodged in a 100% safe manner (e.g. lodged at the central bank). The state guarantees that money, but nothing is done with the money: it is not loaned on or invested, thus it is exposed to virtually no risk. Thus there is virtually no taxpayer exposure there.

The second option is for depositors to let their bank lend on or invest their money. In that case the money earns interest, which benefits the depositor.  But also the depositor foots the entire bill for any bad loans/investments. In effect, the depositor no longer has a specific sum of money in the bank: the depositor has a stake which can rise or fall in value.

Advocates of the latter system include Laurence Kotlikoff and this lot:

http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/NEF-Southampton-Positive-Money-ICB-Submission.pdf
Amongst the advantages of that system are first, the fact that it is impossible for a bank to SUDDENLY fail. That is the latter stake held by depositors can drift downwards in value, but sudden failure is impossible. Second, there is no taxpayer funded subsidy of banks (TBTF or otherwise). Third, the above system solves a problem which seems to perplex Kregel: that’s his claim that it is impossible to distinguish between the two types of account he refers to, and with a view to having government guarantee one, but not the other.

Incidentally, while the latter system is part and parcel of full reserve banking, as far as I can see, the latter “two types of account” system COULD BE tacked onto a fractional reserve system. I.e. the adopting the two account system does not mean one has to accept full reserve, lock stock and barrel.

That all gives rise to an obvious question, namely whether the two types of deposits at banks proposed by Kregel makes sense, or whether the two types of deposit account proposed by full reservers is better. I suggest that Kregel’s distinction between currency deposits and other deposits does not in fact make sense, and for the following reasons.

If someone deposits currency or coin (or more generally monetary base) with the intention of letting their bank lend on or invest the money, than the depositor no longer has any currency or coin in the bank. (That’s in contrast to where someone deposits a bundle of $100 bills in a safe deposit box at a bank. In that case the bills are still there: they are not loaned on or invested. That is sometimes called “warehouse banking”, and that form of deposit amounts to the same thing as the safe accounts proposed by full reservers.) 

I.e. where someone deposits currency with a view to letting the bank lend on the money, the depositor is in effect making an investment (or loan) with the bank simply acting as intermediary. In that case, the depositor / investor has no right to government support if it all goes belly up: any more than if I were to make a stock exchange investment paid for by giving my stockbroker a bundle of $100 bills.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kregel suggests that those who deposit “currency and coin” at a bank should not “bear the brunt” of bad lending decisions by banks. While in contrast, those who deposit commercial bank created money SHOULD take a hair cut.</p>
<p>This is very close to a suggestion made by various advocates of full reserve banking, as follows. Depositors should have to make a choice between two options. One is to have their money (or some of it) lodged in a 100% safe manner (e.g. lodged at the central bank). The state guarantees that money, but nothing is done with the money: it is not loaned on or invested, thus it is exposed to virtually no risk. Thus there is virtually no taxpayer exposure there.</p>
<p>The second option is for depositors to let their bank lend on or invest their money. In that case the money earns interest, which benefits the depositor.  But also the depositor foots the entire bill for any bad loans/investments. In effect, the depositor no longer has a specific sum of money in the bank: the depositor has a stake which can rise or fall in value.</p>
<p>Advocates of the latter system include Laurence Kotlikoff and this lot:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/NEF-Southampton-Positive-Money-ICB-Submission.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/NEF-Southampton-Positive-Money-ICB-Submission.pdf</a><br />
Amongst the advantages of that system are first, the fact that it is impossible for a bank to SUDDENLY fail. That is the latter stake held by depositors can drift downwards in value, but sudden failure is impossible. Second, there is no taxpayer funded subsidy of banks (TBTF or otherwise). Third, the above system solves a problem which seems to perplex Kregel: that’s his claim that it is impossible to distinguish between the two types of account he refers to, and with a view to having government guarantee one, but not the other.</p>
<p>Incidentally, while the latter system is part and parcel of full reserve banking, as far as I can see, the latter “two types of account” system COULD BE tacked onto a fractional reserve system. I.e. the adopting the two account system does not mean one has to accept full reserve, lock stock and barrel.</p>
<p>That all gives rise to an obvious question, namely whether the two types of deposits at banks proposed by Kregel makes sense, or whether the two types of deposit account proposed by full reservers is better. I suggest that Kregel’s distinction between currency deposits and other deposits does not in fact make sense, and for the following reasons.</p>
<p>If someone deposits currency or coin (or more generally monetary base) with the intention of letting their bank lend on or invest the money, than the depositor no longer has any currency or coin in the bank. (That’s in contrast to where someone deposits a bundle of $100 bills in a safe deposit box at a bank. In that case the bills are still there: they are not loaned on or invested. That is sometimes called “warehouse banking”, and that form of deposit amounts to the same thing as the safe accounts proposed by full reservers.) </p>
<p>I.e. where someone deposits currency with a view to letting the bank lend on the money, the depositor is in effect making an investment (or loan) with the bank simply acting as intermediary. In that case, the depositor / investor has no right to government support if it all goes belly up: any more than if I were to make a stock exchange investment paid for by giving my stockbroker a bundle of $100 bills.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Budget Surplus by 2015? by Tyler Healey</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplier-effect.org/?p=8035#comment-46109</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Healey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 19:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With household debt still over $10 trillion, I doubt that a federal budget surplus will emerge in 2015.

Regarding tax cuts, I suspect working-class tax cuts increase revenue because of the vibrancy of these tax cuts in the economy.  However, the recent Payroll Tax Holiday likely did not pay for itself because some of the tax relief went to the rich.  That doesn&#039;t mean it was prudent to allow the holiday to expire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With household debt still over $10 trillion, I doubt that a federal budget surplus will emerge in 2015.</p>
<p>Regarding tax cuts, I suspect working-class tax cuts increase revenue because of the vibrancy of these tax cuts in the economy.  However, the recent Payroll Tax Holiday likely did not pay for itself because some of the tax relief went to the rich.  That doesn&#8217;t mean it was prudent to allow the holiday to expire.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kocherlakota on Low Interest Rates and Instability by Tyler Healey</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplier-effect.org/?p=7873#comment-45943</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Healey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 16:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Warren Mosler on February 4th, 2013: &quot;0 rates (including QE) continue to be a highly deflationary bias that require deficits to be that much higher.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren Mosler on February 4th, 2013: &#8220;0 rates (including QE) continue to be a highly deflationary bias that require deficits to be that much higher.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weakened Link between Output and Jobs Makes Higher Deficits a Necessity by Tyler Healey</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplier-effect.org/?p=7766#comment-45282</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Healey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ideally, fiscal policy should be countercyclical. Such a policy would provide stimulus in the form of tax cuts or increased spending to soften recessions and speed recoveries, and then move the budget balance toward surplus to prevent overheating during periods of high employment.&quot; - Ed Dolan

The modern money army is growing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ideally, fiscal policy should be countercyclical. Such a policy would provide stimulus in the form of tax cuts or increased spending to soften recessions and speed recoveries, and then move the budget balance toward surplus to prevent overheating during periods of high employment.&#8221; &#8211; Ed Dolan</p>
<p>The modern money army is growing!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Much Fiscal Stimulus Do We Need? by Tyler Healey</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplier-effect.org/?p=7434#comment-44229</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Healey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 23:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure would be nice if the Fed understood that tight monetary policy is when they lower interest rates, not when they raise them.  

President Obama does not care about poverty.  If he did, he would present a middle class tax relief proposal to Congress and use the bully pulpit to denounce members planning to vote against it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure would be nice if the Fed understood that tight monetary policy is when they lower interest rates, not when they raise them.  </p>
<p>President Obama does not care about poverty.  If he did, he would present a middle class tax relief proposal to Congress and use the bully pulpit to denounce members planning to vote against it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Krugman, Galbraith, and others debate MMT by Angry Bear &#187; Guest Post: The RJS Aggregator &#8211; Government deficits and MMT</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplier-effect.org/?p=1068#comment-43968</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry Bear &#187; Guest Post: The RJS Aggregator &#8211; Government deficits and MMT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Krugman, Galbraith, and others debate MMT &#8211; &#8220;Paul Krugman slugs it out with our colleague Jamie Galbraith and many other “modern monetary theory” partisans at Krugman’s New York Times blog website. Jamie’s most recent retort is at the top of this page of the blog site. Many of the points raised in the discussion there are central to our work here at the Levy Institute and to the views of Galbraith and others in our macro research group&#8221;. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Krugman, Galbraith, and others debate MMT &#8211; &#8220;Paul Krugman slugs it out with our colleague Jamie Galbraith and many other “modern monetary theory” partisans at Krugman’s New York Times blog website. Jamie’s most recent retort is at the top of this page of the blog site. Many of the points raised in the discussion there are central to our work here at the Levy Institute and to the views of Galbraith and others in our macro research group&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on How did Greece get into this mess? by Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplier-effect.org/?p=395#comment-43521</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard Greece does (did not) take taxes automatically from a persons paycheck and that people were expected to go pay their taxes on their own.  This seems like a flawed system, did that have anything to do with the economic situation if it is true?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Greece does (did not) take taxes automatically from a persons paycheck and that people were expected to go pay their taxes on their own.  This seems like a flawed system, did that have anything to do with the economic situation if it is true?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The power of moral framing by Richard van Pelt</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplier-effect.org/?p=1686#comment-41084</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard van Pelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This may be a year and a half late, but for what it&#039;s worth:  Lakoff&#039;s frames are important for the sewage worker, the sick, and all of us.  Frames shade and redefine words we use to affect public policy formation.  If taxes are about &quot;your money&quot; that is taken by the government, then the frame affects how you see yourself vis a vis the government - negatively.  Now if you took that same frame and applied it to how and what you contribute to your family or community, it comes across as distinctly selfish.  And alienating.

Frames put you in or out of the picture and that affects how you think about the subject.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be a year and a half late, but for what it&#8217;s worth:  Lakoff&#8217;s frames are important for the sewage worker, the sick, and all of us.  Frames shade and redefine words we use to affect public policy formation.  If taxes are about &#8220;your money&#8221; that is taken by the government, then the frame affects how you see yourself vis a vis the government &#8211; negatively.  Now if you took that same frame and applied it to how and what you contribute to your family or community, it comes across as distinctly selfish.  And alienating.</p>
<p>Frames put you in or out of the picture and that affects how you think about the subject.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More Data on the Golden Age of Postwar Austerity by More Data on the Golden Age of Postwar Austerity &#124; Fifth Estate</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplier-effect.org/?p=7079#comment-39042</link>
		<dc:creator>More Data on the Golden Age of Postwar Austerity &#124; Fifth Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See full story on multiplier-effect.org [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on More Data on the Golden Age of Postwar Austerity by La dépense publique aux États-Unis est insuffisante pour assurer une reprise solide&#8230;.</title>
		<link>http://www.multiplier-effect.org/?p=7079#comment-38899</link>
		<dc:creator>La dépense publique aux États-Unis est insuffisante pour assurer une reprise solide&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] More Data on the Golden Age of Postwar Austerity « Multiplier Effect discretionary fiscal policy hasn&#8217;t been much of a tailwind during this recovery. In the year following the end of the recession, discretionary fiscal policy at the federal, state, and local levels boo&#8230; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More Data on the Golden Age of Postwar Austerity « Multiplier Effect discretionary fiscal policy hasn&rsquo;t been much of a tailwind during this recovery. In the year following the end of the recession, discretionary fiscal policy at the federal, state, and local levels boo&#8230; [...]</p>
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